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2024-02-10, 01:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, that would be the case. And as for special abilities, you add the bonus to the enhancement bonus and then calculate the amount, you don't calculate them separately.
Originally Posted by Zarthrax
That is more what I am thinking of, though I have allowed more than one class to be taken. As far as stats, I am thinking of main attribute to be up about 40 or 50 max, but less is better, if it comes down to it. I don't mind metamagic, but I am not a fan of DMM.
Psychic meditation and psionic meditation are apparently two different things, from what I could find online. Psionic meditation is what you meant, I think, and that feat is fine.
Yes, I have allowed people to refit items by reverse engineering them, so you can upgrade the Celestial Armour.
The +50% is for all effects, but there is no custom items from scratch.
That sounds fine.
I prefer humanoid characters, so no tibbit, I am afraid.
Also, in answer to the question I was asked previously, there are no EPic Destinies.
Also, please not, I don't want leadership type effects. I want a party of heroes, not a parade full of servants.Last edited by paradox26; 2024-02-10 at 01:20 AM.
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...I didn't post that.
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Sorry, Zarthrax. I edited a lengthy post and must have messed it up.
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So- this cap on caster level. That nerfs one of the features of Noctumancer. It isn't a major difference, because the other features are more relevant. But, in the unlikely event that I counterspell a spell and would otherwise have therefore been entitled to a temporary boost in CL and would simultaneously have a penalty to CL, such as, for example because I want to counterspell a spell with a Mystery, would the penalty be countered by the (nerfed) buff?
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DMM is really only a problem when paired with large number of Nightsticks (for cheap turn attempts).
If one is limited to 1 Nightstick, one can DMM Quicken about 3 spells per day, or make a couple of spells Persistent (the most powerful use), which is very strong but not quite broken. But of course it might still be above the target power level of this game.
(Btw, this has no impact on my PC who doesn't use divine spells, I'm just discussing here.)
By the way, samduke, your sheet seems to reference a Metamagic Rod of Persistent Spell, but no such item exists (even if it did, it would probably eat up all your wealth...)."Even gods must learn to control their tempers, lest they set a bad example."
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table updatePlayer Character Race Classes Complete Samduke Ivory Silverbrow Human Cleric 6/ Seeker of the Misty Isle 4/ Divine Disciple 5/ Contemplative 6 Complete DrK Kurnos Wood Elf (wild reaper) Druid 21 ~ 80% complete Feathersnow Elsien Peasebloosom Gray Elf Spellthief7/SC3->Noctumancer 11 Complete Aegis013 Jorrik Worldshield Dream Dwarf Crusader 5/Hellreaver 5/Deepwarden 2/Crusader +9 Complete Darius Daruis Star Elf Bard 5 / Stormsinger 5/ Marshall 1/ Sublime Chord 10 Finishing Touches Talivan Enzio Human Rogue 13 / Warblade 3 / Invisible Blade 5 WIP watupwithdat Cardan Tirdis Snow Elf Warblade X/Champion of Corellon Larethian 2?/Eternal Blade 10 WIP Dusk Raven Calliopi Rayza Human Human Paragon 3/Psychic Warrior 8/Psychic Weapon Master 10 Needs Equipment, More Detailed Backstory Archmage1 Coman Human Barbarian 11/Champion of Gwynharwyf 10 Missing Backstory Da'Shain Greath Shamea Whisper Gnome Factotum 19/Swordsage 2 95% (finish equipment/some description) - - - - -
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Spoiler: Backstory
Darius was just a Bard, singing about the stars, love, and adventure. But that was before the drow made war on the surface again. They attacked the forest his parents had lived in for centuries, They brought fire, and burnt it to the ground. Darius would seek out those of power before joining the war, the Storm singers, those who could sing to the skys to bring down arcane power on thier foes. Once he could sing down lightning he would join the war effort, learning to share his charismatic voice with his allies around him. He would sing and sing until his throat was raw and his vocal chords wanted to rip and snap. He continues in the war effort against the drow, looking to take revenge for what was taken.Festival of Heroes:
Umbear: 14 ft tall Ogre, Odd assortment of Clothing and Armor. Greenish/Grey Skin. Tusks.
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2024-02-10, 04:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Still working on my character. More or less settled on the Dwarf Wizard-Runesmith, not 100% on the other classes in the mix. Should be a straightforward support/utility caster with a little melee capability. Will try to stick to thematic Dwarfy-Earthy spells as much as I can.
When is the deadline for character submission? If it was posted earlier in the thread I must have skimmed right over it.
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2024-02-10, 06:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh? Interesting. Well, I have no idea what the other feat does, then.
Meanwhile, working on the finishing touches for my sheet. Took another look at my powers, and a lot of my buffs actually have augments to let me cast them as a swift action, or they have generous durations, so I decided to swap out Quicken Power for Greater Combat Reflexes. I've got 15 AoOs, might as well have a way to use all of them.
Also still working on equipment. The most optimal thing to do is get a Manual to boost my Strength, getting it to 29 when combined with enhancements. I haven't because... well, my gal doesn't seem like she'd be that strong, but also because I'm not sure what the "baseline" for our applicant pool is. One of the things I don't like about high-level 3.5 is that numbers just seem all over the place. Closest I have to a baseline for a martial character is Coman, as his to-hit isn't too much higher than mine... at least when he's not raging.
I did discover the "Belt of Magnificence" which boosts all stats by 6. Now, do I really need a +6 to INT and CHA? No, but it was cheaper than what I did have. Less +50% from combining items, after all.
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Actually, I think I'm going to end up passing, the forums have had so many problems lately that I dread trying to load pages or check threads.
Once you go blue, nothing else will do. Once you go Quarian...someone will die.
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I’m updating a Spirit Shaman for this.
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Pleased to help!
In the meantime, a question for paradox: the Human Paragon class advances spellcasting from any class. Given it's non-specific nature, I've been assuming that it would also advance psionic manifesting, but... I ought to ask about that. That will change my build if it doesn't.
Speaking of builds... it's a shame there aren't more PsyWar-based prestige classes. As it is, I don't have a lot of options if I want to advance my manifester level further.
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2024-02-10, 11:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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I will say that the penalty would be countered.
I haven't yet set a due date, because I am having so many problems with the forums lately. Just get it done when you can. I will be very lenient with regards to due dates.
You aren't wrong at all, and I totally understand.
I will allow it to boost psionic manifestation.
Zarthrax, did I overlook a question of yours? If so, can I please get you to ask it again, so I don't miss it? Thanks, mate.
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Player Character Race Classes Complete Samduke Ivory Silverbrow Human Cleric 6/ Seeker of the Misty Isle 4/ Divine Disciple 5/ Contemplative 6 Complete DrK Kurnos Wood Elf (wild reaper) Druid 21 ~ 80% complete Feathersnow Elsien Peasebloosom Gray Elf Spellthief7/SC3->Noctumancer 11 Complete Aegis013 Jorrik Worldshield Dream Dwarf Crusader 5/Hellreaver 5/Deepwarden 2/Crusader +9 Complete Darius Daruis Star Elf Bard 5 / Stormsinger 5/ Marshall 1/ Sublime Chord 10 Finishing Touches Talivan Enzio Human Rogue 13 / Warblade 3 / Invisible Blade 5 WIP watupwithdat Cardan Tirdis Snow Elf Warblade 7/Fighter 2/Champion of Corellon Larethian 2/Eternal Blade 10 70% Dusk Raven Calliopi Rayza Human Human Paragon 3/Psychic Warrior 8/Psychic Weapon Master 10 Needs Equipment, More Detailed Backstory Archmage1 Coman Human Barbarian 11/Champion of Gwynharwyf 10 Missing Backstory Da'Shain Greath Shamea Whisper Gnome Factotum 19/Swordsage 2 95% (finish equipment/some description) - - - - -
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but you don't increase the lesser cost when adding stat items like belt of strength etc per MIC rules. So +6 strength is just +36000.Last edited by watupwithdat; 2024-02-10 at 11:48 PM.
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According to the rules on MiC pg 233-234 adding common effects to magic items of the appropriate slot type doesn't carry the 50% gp cost adjustment. (e.g. +2/4/6 enhancement to attribute, +1-5 resistance to saves, etc). So the Belt of Magnificence +6 which costs 200k costs more than just 4 items of +6 enhancement bonus which can added to other items for just 144k.
If you're merging items that aren't just common effects, like a Bracer of Archery with a Strongarm Bracer, the 50% increased cost adjustment would apply.
If I'm incorrect, I'm sure paradox26 will let us know.
Edit: Swordsage'd by watupwithdat.
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As per Paradox26
if you have a magic item in a slot then all OTHER items in that slot of the same value or less cost 50% more
so if we have a bracers of armor +8, 64K + strongarm bracers 6K the strong arm actually cost 9K but the AC are still only 64K
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And that's Coman completed! If I've made any mistakes around his items or his feats, please, let me know.
He is an old school barbarian hero, from a time long since gone, with an epic reputation and very little else to show for it.
[QUOTE=watupwithdat;25961556]Player Character Race Classes Complete Samduke Ivory Silverbrow Human Cleric 6/ Seeker of the Misty Isle 4/ Divine Disciple 5/ Contemplative 6 Complete DrK Kurnos Wood Elf (wild reaper) Druid 21 ~ 80% complete Feathersnow Elsien Peasebloosom Gray Elf Spellthief7/SC3->Noctumancer 11 Complete Aegis013 Jorrik Worldshield Dream Dwarf Crusader 5/Hellreaver 5/Deepwarden 2/Crusader +9 Complete Darius Daruis Star Elf Bard 5 / Stormsinger 5/ Marshall 1/ Sublime Chord 10 Finishing Touches Talivan Enzio Human Rogue 13 / Warblade 3 / Invisible Blade 5 WIP watupwithdat Cardan Tirdis Snow Elf Warblade 7/Fighter 2/Champion of Corellon Larethian 2/Eternal Blade 10 70% Dusk Raven Calliopi Rayza Human Human Paragon 3/Psychic Warrior 8/Psychic Weapon Master 10 Needs Equipment, More Detailed Backstory Archmage1 Coman Human Barbarian 10/Champion of Gwynharwyf 10/Warblade 1 Complete Da'Shain Greath Shamea Whisper Gnome Factotum 19/Swordsage 2 95% (finish equipment/some description) - - - - - Spoiler: Current Character List:
John Smith, Playing in the Dollhouse
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Fixing my sheet link
Player Character Race Classes Complete Samduke Ivory Silverbrow Human Cleric 6/ Seeker of the Misty Isle 4/ Divine Disciple 5/ Contemplative 6 Complete DrK Kurnos Wood Elf (wild reaper) Druid 21 ~ 80% complete Feathersnow Elsien Peasebloosom Gray Elf Spellthief7/SC3->Noctumancer 11 Complete Aegis013 Jorrik Worldshield Dream Dwarf Crusader 5/Hellreaver 5/Deepwarden 2/Crusader +9 Complete Darius Daruis Star Elf Bard 5 / Stormsinger 5/ Marshall 1/ Sublime Chord 10 Finishing Touches Talivan Enzio Human Rogue 13 / Warblade 3 / Invisible Blade 5 WIP watupwithdat Cardan Tirdis Snow Elf Warblade 7/Fighter 2/Champion of Corellon Larethian 2/Eternal Blade 10 70% Dusk Raven Calliopi Rayza Human Human Paragon 3/Psychic Warrior 8/Psychic Weapon Master 10 Needs Equipment, More Detailed Backstory Archmage1 Coman Human Barbarian 10/Champion of Gwynharwyf 10/Warblade 1 Complete Da'Shain Greath Shamea Whisper Gnome Factotum 19/Swordsage 2 95% (finish equipment/some description) - - - - -
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Player Character Race Classes Complete Samduke Ivory Silverbrow Human Cleric 6/ Seeker of the Misty Isle 4/ Divine Disciple 5/ Contemplative 6 Complete DrK Kurnos Wood Elf (wild reaper) Druid 21 ~ 80% complete Feathersnow Elsien Peasebloosom Gray Elf Spellthief7/SC3->Noctumancer 11 Complete Aegis013 Jorrik Worldshield Dream Dwarf Crusader 5/Hellreaver 5/Deepwarden 2/Crusader +9 Complete Darius Daruis Star Elf Bard 5 / Stormsinger 5/ Marshall 1/ Sublime Chord 10 Finishing Touches Talivan Enzio Human Rogue 13 / Warblade 3 / Invisible Blade 5 WIP watupwithdat Cardan Tirdis Snow Elf Warblade 7/Fighter 2/Champion of Corellon Larethian 2/Eternal Blade 10 70% Dusk Raven Calliopi Rayza Human Human Paragon 3/Psychic Warrior 8/Psychic Weapon Master 10 Mechanically Complete Archmage1 Coman Human Barbarian 10/Champion of Gwynharwyf 10/Warblade 1 Complete Da'Shain Greath Shamea Whisper Gnome Factotum 19/Swordsage 2 95% (finish equipment/some description) - - - - -
Not really an update, but I have picked out my magical equipment. There's still a few mundane stuff I'd like to buy, but it's mostly just the accoutrements a noble ought to have, nothing that will have much mechanical bearing. Although I may trade out the Ring of Evasion - while I have a decent Reflex save, I also have a power that lets me say, "I'll just be taking the minimum possible damage from that spell, thanks." Ring of Evasion means I don't have to use it as much, of course, but pure damage isn't something I'm really concerned about. It just remains to be seen whether I spend the rest of my money on something like an Amulet of Natural Armor, or just bank it (having someone with a decent gold reserve might be nice, and it might as well be the former noble). Either way, though, if paradox were to say in five minutes, "All right, enough work on your sheets, characters are about to be picked," I'd be able to say, "I'm ready."
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Dusk Raven & samduke, looks like y'all are right. It appears I had missed this.
Paradox26, will you confirm the common effects (MiC pg 233-234) are subject to the 50% cost increase for this game?
I don't mind if that's the case, I would simply appreciate clarification before I re-calculate Jorrik's WBL expenditure and retool his numbers given how involved an epic inventory can be.
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Think his wording was weird.
No matter the item in any slot the most expensive is at cost, all others even if the same price in thst same slot are 50% more expensive
Armor, shiels weapons are also slots and tend to be very expensive
What is or are the effects your asking about, that would help
EditedLast edited by samduke; 2024-02-11 at 05:29 PM.
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It's referencing "Adding Common Item Effects to Existing Items" from page 233 of MIC, which states that you don't pay the +50% tax when adding common item effects (like stats, ac and saves) to existing items.
That rule has been normalized for a long time, so the confusion stems from it sounding like this game isn't following that standardized rule. As the presumption is that you only do the +50% lesser item tax when adding magic items to another (common item effects not included) it probably means that plenty of players would need to redo their equipment to account for the added cost of adding for example +6 Charisma to their Cloak of Resistance +5 (which would normally be 36000 + 25000; but 36000 + 25000 + 12500 without the MIC rule).Last edited by watupwithdat; 2024-02-12 at 03:53 AM.
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