Quote Originally Posted by Hael View Post
Also what tier they are played in. If you mostly play in tier1 campaigns, rogues are perfectly fine. It just falls off a cliff after that point.

To the people defending Rogue damage. Which classes would you say the rogue can reliably outdamage (given sufficient optimization). I think you will find it quite difficult to best the optimum builds of the other classes, even when you take your best rogue builds and put them side to side (eg soulknife <lvl 5, arcane trickster/phantom > lvl 5 etc)
Quite a few actually once you start adding stuff in like distance, hazards, and attrition/individual decisions for resource management. You can cut a lot of those optimized builds output down by 30-40% with just a single poor choice.