Do caster out of combat options matter?

[Rynjin]

Yeah, it's the same argument, just veiled.

No, it isn't. It is just about the exact opposite.

I get it's convenient to pretend someone holds an opinion so you can get on your soapbox arguing against it, but I'm not your strawman bud.

If you want to put some actual effort into addressing what I actually said instead of regurgitating the pre-canned response you thought up a while back but only works if you pretend I hold a different, contradictory opinion, be my guest. Otherwise I'm finding it pretty much impossible to take you seriously.

Edit- I feel I need to stress this. It's not all or nothing, sort of. It's something or nothing. A DM who wants the players to go to another plane but doesn't make that possible will have to get comfortable with failure. But if it doesn't even matter that the cleric just so happens to have the right tuning fork, then we have a problem.

Samurai's here to argue (poorly), not discuss. That's why his posts lack any hint of nuance or understanding of what the topic is even about. Don't bother.