I never said that wasn't compelling, oe that wasn't how it was portrayed. I have said, repeatedly and consistently, up to the very post you just quoted, that "the Jedi were always fundamentally broken and incompetent" is not compelling and not how they are portrayed. If you are taking anything away from my argument other than "the idea that the Jedi Order for tens of thousands of years are incompetent is absolutely ludicrous and does not make any sense at all", then there is some form of miscommunication between us that i desire to correct.