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2023-05-09, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2023-05-09, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2023-05-09, 06:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2023-05-10, 02:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spelling note for a non-native English speaker: woman is singular, women is plural.
Personally, I like the idea that Amun-Zora gathers up the rest of Tarquin's unwilling fiances (Jenella and Mandy at the very least) and forms them into an elite squad that takes him down!
On the betting front: 1 x-ray of the hardware in my leg that the fact that the Quinton only agreed to help Team Evil while "behind the doors in this canyon" (panel 4) will be significant.Warhammer 40,000 Campaign Skirmish Game: Warpstrike
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2023-05-11, 04:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Hm. What would you say the odds of zombie Penelope shambling into the scene are, for the beautiful symmetry of it (unwilling brides attack of their own accord; the willing wife against her will!)?
On the betting front: 1 x-ray of the hardware in my leg that the fact that the Quinton only agreed to help Team Evil while "behind the doors in this canyon" (panel 4) will be significant.
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2023-05-13, 06:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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I bet 10 gold that of the possible obscure talents that will save the day, it's going to be O-Chul's beekeeping deterring Oona's buzzing swarmers.
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2023-05-13, 11:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2023-05-14, 09:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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My prediction:
Elan will die saving Haley's life ( that gives him a happy ending since he is saving the life of his loved one and that makes him a Hero with a capital H) ... Roy and Haley get married and have a half a dozen children...Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2023-05-15, 03:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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BRB, I need to borrow Hilgya's cart so I can load up against this one.
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2023-05-15, 03:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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A hundred gold says Elan will get a classically happy ending, not a classically tragic ending such as you've just described. Or to put it another way: that he will end the comic alive and also with no indications that he's going to die particularly soon after it ends.
Fifty gold says there will never be any indication that Roy has thought of Haley in a romantic context, ever, in his life.Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2023-05-15, 05:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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2023-05-15, 09:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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I could refer to a couple of early strips here, but I feel like it would be unfair. Plus, romantic doesn't really enter those scenes in any way anyhow.
Haley does have pretty much that exact hair colour, but there's no way Celia's that unlucky in these affairs.Last edited by Metastachydium; 2023-05-15 at 09:33 AM.
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2023-05-15, 09:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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2023-05-15, 10:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Warhammer 40,000 Campaign Skirmish Game: Warpstrike
My Spelljammer stuff (including an orbit tracker), 2E AD&D spreadsheet, and Vault of the Drow maps are available in my Dropbox. Feel free to use or not use it as you see fit!
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2023-05-15, 10:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, my concessions were being generous insofar as they tacitly let the assumpton that making half a dozen children (which is, at the end of the day, a biological process) and marrying (ultimately a legal formality) had romantic thoughts as a neccessary prerequisite and therefore your comment was neither missing Korvin's point, nor a non sequitur in relation to it slide, but yes.
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2023-05-15, 10:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Korvin is free to take my bet whether one "generously" considers it to have anything to do with what he said or not, if he wants.
(Or anyone else here, of course. Gold pieces only, though!)Last edited by Kish; 2023-05-15 at 10:53 AM.
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2023-05-15, 11:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Prediction Page, (bring your quatloos, gps, and internets, you'll need them.)
Did you notice how the Harry Potter movies ended, in terms of who married whom?
Did you notice how the Hunger Games movies ended, in terms of who was a couple with kids years later?
What I threw out there is in the same family of curveballs thrown. And Rich throws curveballs. It is one of his talents as a writer.
Rich does some trope subversion. This one - expectations subversion is in the same family - I threw against the wall and a few noodles stuck.
Also, your answer is boring.
The only problem with this SWAG, for my taste, is that it plays slightly into Tarquin's hands in terms of Elan being the Big Damned Hero (Firefly reference to those not among the cognoscenti) of The Order. So that's working against it.
As to who marries and has kids: I was about Roy's age, single, never gonna get married, at about age 28.
Three years later I was married, we had one child and ended up having another.
Life's a funny thing that way.
See also "When Harry Met Sally" as regards long time friends who years later got married ...Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2023-05-15 at 11:31 AM.
Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2023-05-15, 11:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Issues with your particular examples (Katniss ended up with the character who she was obviously going to end up with from the first book and I am baffled that anyone ever thought "Team Gale" had a chance of getting off the ground, never mind treating it as some kind of default as you do here; Harry ended up with the first character who expressed romantic interest in him way back in Book 2, and the primary argument I saw predicting him ending up with Hermione was the only thing that could conceivably point to Roy getting involved with Haley, a bluntly expressed "leading ladies go to main heroes") aside, pony up, Korvin. You have many words but there is no gold behind them.
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2023-05-15, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2023-05-15, 11:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oh, my. You really do sound salty over a non-serious comment that was basically in agreement with your (given the bet attached, presumed to be) light-hearted rebuttal of some notion just because it didn't conform to some standard you never held yourself against in the first place.
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2023-05-15, 04:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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"throws curveballs" is so broad as to not really be an effective lens. On top of that, not all curveballs are equally good storytelling. (If the final dungeon collapsed on the Order right now and killed them all, that would certainly be a curveball, but it wouldn't make for a good story.)
I could also say, "Rich engages in foreshadowing." He has already foreshadowed, rather explicitly, that Elan will have a happy ending. Or I could say, "Rich is a good storyteller because he knows how to make his storytelling developments satisfying," which killing a main character so his girlfriend can get with another main character-- who already has a girlfriend, mind you-- I cannot see would be.
This wouldn't be a trope subversion; this would be a character subversion in order to fit the trope of Leading Man and Leading Woman Get Together.
And we're back to the Wouldn't It Be Cool If rule.
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2023-05-15, 05:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm more concerned with the subjectivity of "boring," for my part.
(Korvin's proposals amount to: let's have something happen that doesn't make any sense for the sake of unpredictability--and that's plenty boring, along with its other failings. "Shaggy dog story" is not a compliment.)Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2023-05-15, 05:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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2023-05-15, 06:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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12 quatloos that nobody bets anything on those arguments whether they ever get to be funny or not.
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2023-05-16, 08:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, yes, but we shouldn't forget that he's also a malicious agent of the Snarl, as evidenced by his familiarity with Fruit Pie, so that happy ending might look a lot unlike what you seem to be picturing. (I'm willing to bet more Melian staters on this, but you'll probably have to steal a few from whoever steals the previous ones from the museum yourself. Just a fair warning.)
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2023-05-16, 09:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Xykon will escape to his secret astral fortress, only to be trapped there forever. He'll slowly turn mad from boredom, blood oath will be unfullilled.
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2023-05-16, 12:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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You seem to be making some assumptions on what a happy ending looks like.
The Oracle is notoriously cryptic in his responses, so there's a substantial amount of room for what "happy ending" looks like to expand into. One of those options is certainly "Haley and Elan live happily ever after and love each other until death does them part" but that's not the only option.
The hidebound reactions to a bit of thinking outside of the box should not have surprised me.
Xykon has agency. He can go to his fortress, he can leave it. Should boredom confront him, he has the means wander off somewhere - there are so many planes and places to choose from - in order to mitigate any boredom so encountered.
What could trap him there such that he could not leave?Last edited by KorvinStarmast; 2023-05-16 at 01:04 PM.
Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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2023-05-16, 03:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2023-05-16, 04:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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If thinking "the character explicitly promised a happy ending dies, and then two other characters do something entirely out of character that has not been suggested in any way at all at any point in the story" wouldn't qualify as "a happy ending for Elan" nor makes sense as an ending to this story counts as "making assumptions" and not "basic deductive reasoning from the evidence," then, well, you got me.
This isn't a case for why the specific ending you proposed makes sense. It's just a way of saying "Who knows? Anything could happen!" Sure, I suppose in theory, literally anything could happen. I'll still bet against, say, the entire story turning out to be the dream of an alien child, or the British police showing up at the end to arrest Roy for indiscriminate murder of goblins, because those endings don't make any sense for this story, either.
(Also, I'll add that "Yes-- for you, at least" is about as straightforward as the Oracle has ever been.)
You ever heard the saying "Don't be so open-minded that your brain falls out?"
Your insinuation that the responses to your proposal are just close-minded reactions from people afraid of new ideas aside, I will reiterate, the ending you proposed simply does not make sense for the story and the characters we have seen after all this time. You have not made a case that it makes sense; you've only accused people of being close-minded for pointing out that it doesn't make sense.