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2018-12-25, 12:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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So all that stuff about Poseidon got me thinking. Maybe mitd doesn't know about the astral sea because he's familiar with extraplanar stuff. Maybe he's familiar with it because he is Protean, son of Poseidon, God of the Seas, and he's talking about the astral sea
Yes, I am aware it's a stupid stretch :)
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Sorry, but can you explain me this better? I don't understand how you understood that it's a supernatural ability and not an extraordinary one.
It may simply be a problem of translation, I'm used to Italian manuals... Because I don't understand why a Protean could copy the ability to teleport of a umbral plot and not the ability to wish of a Zodar.
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In the Umbral Blot statblock:
Originally Posted by SRD
In the Protean statblock:
Originally Posted by SRDLast edited by Caerulea; 2018-12-25 at 05:34 PM. Reason: Typos
Non caerulea sum, Caerulea nomen meum est.
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New suggestion: the MitD is an Italian Protean. Mamma mia!
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Eyyy, I'm-a shiftin' da shapes and-a helping my amico Signore Stiffliano escape! Easyducio! Bada bing!
(Okay, this might not be quite as good as Italian Elon Musk.)
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"For you see, I theorize that the halfling does not possess a true sentient brain, like you or I, but rather a simple lump of nerve tissue that serves as a primitive "proto-brain" that can only process two emotional reactions to people: Hate or Lust."
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2018-12-28, 11:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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So I periodically check this thread to see if anyone has guessed in a manner that blows my mind, and while checking the MitD scenes, I noticed the lack of footprints on the snow, people have guessed that it might mean that he can hover or fly in some manner. Has someone proposed the idea that it might be a pass without trace type of deal? Is there any monster that has a "leaves no tracks" when in its home environment? I was thinking that since we know he is not native to the jungle, maybe he is a creature with "cold" listed as its environment? Unless the new umbrella has a protection from weather effect, he seems like the cold doesnt bother him. Does this theory add anything to the table that we didnt think before?
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Yes. Wolverines. They are small sized, but have big feet for their size, so they don't sink in the snow. They hunt for deers which are two size categories larger than they are. Deers have thin legs so they sink into the snow and slowed down by it. They're one of those creatures that are much more awesome in real life than in D&D, because the D&D version is medium sized.
They don't have a teleportation ability though, and while they're strong, they're probably not strong enough to hit Miko through the wall.Last edited by b_jonas; 2018-12-28 at 12:50 PM.
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Last edited by Peelee; 2018-12-28 at 01:16 PM. Reason: Figured I'd add in the Small size category too.
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Water Walk is also another explanation for why he wouldn't leave tracks since the creature hovers an inch above the liquid/snow. From what I remember, though, none of the creatures with an ability to telepork and that are strong enough to fit the tower scene have Water Walk as a special ability. Again, it's possible that a Protean could have borrowed it as an Extraordinary Ability, though I haven't check to see if there are any creatures with Water Walk as an Ex, and it could have just as easily borrowed Fly.
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The adult wolverine is about the size of a medium dog, with a length usually ranging from 65107 cm (2642 in), a tail of 1726 cm (6.710.2 in), and a weight of 5.525 kg (1255 lb), though exceptionally large males can weigh up to 32 kg (71 lb).[5][6][7][8] Another outsized specimen was reported to scale approximately 35 kg (77 lb).[9][10] The males are as much as 30% larger than the females and can be twice the females' weight. According to some sources, Eurasian wolverines are claimed to be larger and heavier than North American with average weights in excess of 20 kg (44 lb) but this may refer more specifically to areas such as Siberia, as data from European wolverines shows they are typically around the same size as their American counterparts
In Three Hearts and Three Lions, this is said (a giant died earlier):
Like a wolverine to a bear, so be a troll to a giant. Not so big, mayhap, but fierce beyond measure, cunning, and gripsome o' life. Many giants ha' been killed by mortal men, this way or that, but the tale is that no knicht ha' ever come off victor against a troll.Last edited by halfeye; 2018-12-28 at 08:02 PM.
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2018-12-29, 08:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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I have missed the discussion that I'm assuming took place at the time Rich said this (below) but I really think it's the one huge test that any potential suggestion has to satisfy. Honestly, regardless of how well the Hagunemnon or the Glabrezu may fit all the scenes in the comic, I think there's no possible way Rich would be so emphatic about the big reveal being totally worth the uber-long wait for his readership in general if it just turns out to be nothing more than pulling the wraps on a perfectly standard Monster Manual creature.
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2018-12-29, 09:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Idea: We already have the answer. It was stated right in front of us.
The MitD is a Good Man. That's it. That's all he is. He's a good-aligned human with 1 level in commoner.
1. Not something the author made up, obviously.
2. Unaware of his own capabilities. Naturally a level 1 male commoner wouldn't think he can teleport people or send Miko flying with a hit.
3. The Big Game Hunter was obviously a high-class aristocrat who didn't expect to see a commoner, certainly not in this part of the world. And commoners are stereotyped as uneducated, hence why the Big Game Hunter was surprised he could speak comprehensible Common.
4. Commoners are disgusting, hence the circus scene. They're so disgusting that a knowledgeable wizard, who spends all their times in books and never sees common people, wouldn't recognize them.
5. The Escape. A natural twenty on a cross-class UMD check to use a scroll he didn't realize he was carrying.
6. Tower scene. Two critical hits combined with an extremely excitable DM who describes them in somewhat over-the-top terms.
7. Stomp. Again, a natural 20 combined with an extremely excitable or generous DM.
8. Can't see the gates. Commoners have poor knowledge skills and he didn't invest anything in Spot, since he needed those cross-class UMD ranks.
9. Fits in the box, obviously.
10. Not immune to mind-affecting spells.
11. The attacks on him simply whiffed. Everyone rolls poorly sometimes.
Pretty straightforward. The MitD is a Neutral Good level 1 Male Commoner.Last edited by Aquillion; 2018-12-29 at 09:08 PM.
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Except all humans speak common in D&D...
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No. Just no.
Almost all wizards know how commoners look. They still need commoners for their experiments. A wizard who goes to a circus is almost certainly not the kind of wizard who never sees commoners.
Wouldn't be enough to activate a scroll. Scrolls don't work like potions or wands. You need to be an arcane spellcaster to activate an arcane scroll, or a divine spellcaster to activate a divine scroll, use the Spellcraft skill to decipher the spell, which you can't do without training, and there are several different hard requirements for activating a scroll apart from that. The Spellcraft check gets harder if you want to activate a scroll that contains a high level spell, and the escape can't be achieved by a low-level scroll. Those rules are used in OotS, that's why Vaarsuvius had to have Belkar activate Durkon's healing scroll.
Nor that.
They don't roll worse than a natural 1, and they'd still hit a level 1 commoner with all natural 1 rolls, even if the target is hidden in the darkness.
Oh! That's further proof that Haley isn't exactly what you'd call a human. Go half-celestial Haley!Last edited by b_jonas; 2018-12-29 at 09:33 PM.
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Hrm, you're right, a level 1 commoner is ridiculous.
Let's say they're a level 2 commoner.
Almost all wizards know how commoners look. They still need commoners for their experiments. A wizard who goes to a circus is almost certainly not the kind of wizard who never sees commoners.
They don't roll worse than a natural 1, and they'd still hit a level 1 commoner with all natural 1 rolls, even if the target is hidden in the darkness.
Wouldn't be enough to activate a scroll. Scrolls don't work like potions or wands. You need to be an arcane spellcaster to activate an arcane scroll, or a divine spellcaster to activate a divine scroll, use the Spellcraft skill to decipher the spell, which you can't do without training, and there are several different hard requirements for activating a scroll apart from that. The Spellcraft check gets harder if you want to activate a scroll that contains a high level spell, and the escape can't be achieved by a low-level scroll. Those rules are used in OotS, that's why Vaarsuvius had to have Belkar activate Durkon's healing scroll.
Also, their level 1 feat is Skill Focus, for +3.
And they're highly intelligent (but low Wisdom), so lots of skill points. Since I conceded that they'd have to be level 2, they can reach 5 points in Spellcraft and Decipher Script, for a total of +4.
Also, they're carrying a masterwork Use Magic Device tool, for +2.
Finally, they really, really want this, for a +2 circumstance bonus!
Counting the 5 basic points in UMD, they have 5 + 4 + 3 + 4 + 2 + 2 = +20 to their UMD checks. On a roll of 20, that's sufficient to cast a spell with a caster level of 20 - in other words, a level 9 spell, like Wish!
(Or they could just have a Ring of Three Wishes, but I think they UMDed the scroll.)
Actually, the tower scene and the earthquake scene could also be explained by a Ring of Three Wishes. One wish was used to "transport travelers" Miko and her horse away, and one wish was used to duplicate Earth Tremor. Alternatively, they UMDed scrolls for each.
Yes, but the Big Game Hunter is obviously high-class. He's classist and assumes they wouldn't be able to speak it properly.Last edited by Aquillion; 2019-01-02 at 05:54 PM.