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2024-04-16, 10:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
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2024-04-17, 04:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
But how did V take damage from the latest dragon's breath? A Red Dragon's breath weapon is a cone of fire and any being (except the dragon) in that cone takes damage. But V is way outside the cone, so he/she should not have taken any damage. The other members of the Order, except Haley, were plausibly in the cone, but not V.
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2024-04-17, 05:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
It looks like Calder's mouth was so close to the ground that the fire spread out, and also for older dragons their breath weapons are huge. I figure it's another product of OotS running on "mostly 3.5e with some verisimilitude added".
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2024-04-17, 06:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
You can see V fleeing the "splash" of the firebreath in panel 1, and V has multiple burn marks on the face and on the robe in panel 5.
So either the cone "splashed" on the ground to include pretty much everyone except the flying characters, or Calder "sprayed" his breath across the entire room.
In any case, it's far less focused than his 2 previous blasts.Last edited by Kardwill; 2024-04-17 at 06:32 AM.
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2024-04-17, 06:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
Hmm. Actually, I think there were abilities that let dragons change the shape of their breath weapons? I think it might just have been a choice between lines and cones, though.
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2024-04-17, 07:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
I'd lay real money he knew who he really was the whole time. He's taken several actions throughout the last couple arcs that only make sense if he remembers his time as a large predator loyal to the team. Most notably, attacking the vampire instead of hiding and waking up Minrah to help fight Serini and Sunny.
Also, he knew exactly how to fight Calder the instant he was big, going for a neck chomp rather than confusedly colliding with the dragon."Thursdays. I could never get the hang of Thursdays."-Arthur Dent, The Hitchhiker's Guide
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2024-04-17, 08:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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This ... is my signature finishing move!
"It's never good when you make a fiend cringe" - MadGrady
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2024-04-17, 11:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
I theorize that Bloodfeast does not possess a true sentient brain, like you or I, but rather a simple lump of nerve tissue that serves as a primitive "proto-brain" that can only process two emotional reactions to reptiles: Hate or Lust.
EDIT: In evolutionary psychology, people refer to four basic drives: fighting, fleeing, feeding, and fornicating. The last of those is subject to unbowdlerization, of course.Last edited by bunsen_h; 2024-04-17 at 11:28 AM.
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2024-04-17, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
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2024-04-17, 01:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
Some people are wondering how the order will get Bloodfeast out of the room. The obvious answer is the same way Serini got Calder into it.
Oh, look at the time! No more follow up questions!
All thing equal, yes, bigger creatures are a little easier to hit; however, one size category generally means CR levels, and AC correlates strongly with AC.
So all things considered, bigger creatures are usually much harder to hit.The thing is the Azurites don't use a single color; they use a single hue. The use light blue, dark blue, black, white, glossy blue, off-white with a bluish tint. They sky's the limit, as long as it's blue.
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2024-04-17, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
I'm pretty sure Mr. Scruffy is that actual registered animal companion here. Bloodfeast is just responding to a heck of an animal empathy check(at this point, probably more than one).
For all his faults, Tarquin did know how to raise and train armies. I wouldn't be surprised if BF was smarter because of him: in fact I've already theorized pretty much that effect in an earlier thread, when discussing how BF was winning grapples against Calder."Thursdays. I could never get the hang of Thursdays."-Arthur Dent, The Hitchhiker's Guide
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2024-04-17, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Am I the only one bothered that the four F's are not presented in alphabetical order?
Feeding, fighting, fleeing, friend-making?
Anyway, I think we may get to see Serini pull a potion of "Shrink down big critter" out when the time comes. She must have had some way to get enormous creatures into her dungeon, routinely.
I also think that Calder is about to panic, and a panicked dragon with no breath weapon available is going to lash out in all directions.This ... is my signature finishing move!
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2024-04-17, 03:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cuthalion's art is the prettiest art of all the art. Like my avatar.
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2024-04-17, 04:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
V probably has Polymorph Other prepared (panel 8), as previously pointed out in this thread. Bloodfeast doesn't need to be trapped here.
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2024-04-17, 07:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2024-04-17, 08:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
This is a very nice point. I don't remember V ever casted a Polymorph of any kind, and we can add two considerations:
1. exists a spell that only works on familiar, it might be the subtext of the quoted strip ( https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-s...orph-familiar/ )
2. The one originally suffered by Bloodfeast https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-s...ful-polymorph/ is permanent and maybe what V has isn't.
I've a question magic-related: can Calder heal himself? I remember Dragons have access to Cleric spells too, and Heal should be in an accessible level. (but I don't know if a Dragon actually can).
Other dangerous path: Calder charming Bloodfeast?Last edited by Rinazina; 2024-04-17 at 08:53 PM.
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2024-04-17, 08:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
Worst case scenario, V can always just use a Wish (panel 6).
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2024-04-17, 09:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
Oh we've an archivist here! I'm sure you excluded the usage of the most effective consumable tool, panel 10, a doily is likely to be spared for closing the snarl-trap, nothing less.
Also, I think that the doily is probably one of the few things that V still has from <3 Kyrie. should keep it close to hir heart.
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2024-04-17, 10:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
The problem with the doily is that V has grown beyond their lust for power (or gold, or merely being born with a heart full of neutrality). The most opportune time for V to use the doily would have been after they defeated Xykon with the soul splices, but we all saw how that turned out.
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2024-04-17, 10:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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YEAH!
That is so hilarious. :)http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...6#post15476516
I know I'm stealing this from someone else. But it's SO FUNNY
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2024-04-17, 11:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
Called it so far.
Though, it was hinted by Rich taking pains to show a shot of V recovering.
And no, V will not make Bloodfeast the size of a lizard again. Don't you see what's going on?
Paladins no longer able to help.
Sunny no longer able to help.
Now Bloodfeast no longer able to help.
Minrah will be removed next.Last edited by JonahFalcon; 2024-04-17 at 11:56 PM.
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2024-04-18, 08:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
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2024-04-18, 09:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
OR ...
Paladins use lay on hands on Sunny.
Sunny helps Paladins reach battle.
Bloodfeast is very much able to help right now.
Minrah is actually pretty durable (dwarf fighter / cleric).
As I said upthread, Serini must have some mechanism for moving large monsters through her dungeons, those outer gates are too small for many monsters.This ... is my signature finishing move!
"It's never good when you make a fiend cringe" - MadGrady
According to some online quiz, I'm a 6th level TN Wizard. They didn't give me full XP for all the monsters I've defeated while daydreaming.
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I am a Ranger Archetype: Gleaming Warden (thx to Ninja Prawn)
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2024-04-18, 12:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
Given that the previous prediction included Bloodfeast killing Calder, we can assume you are not speaking just about who is no longer able to help with the fight with Calder. Which leaves us to assume you are suggesting that this is all about trimming down the cast to just the 6 members of the Order for the final battle at some future point? I guess? (saying "no longer able to help" isn't useful if you don't tell us what they're no longer able to help with).
If that is what you are suggesting, at least one major problem is that the paladins are literally standing in the room outside this one, through which they will need to travel to get to the secret passage that they were going through to get to the gate (which is presumably where whatever final battle is to come will occur). So.... Either they stay in this room forever, in which case Bloodfeast is there, or they leave Bloodfeast behind, but then pick up the paladins and Sunny.
So really the only consideration here is how to get Bloodfeast through that doorway in the room below where the paladins and Sunny currently are. And there have been several suggestions of ways to do just that. So no. I see no pattern of removing party members here.
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2024-04-18, 02:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
We shall see.
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2024-04-18, 05:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
1- To say nice words to a diying person is not being specially good, it is just not being an really bad person. I can't think of anyone non-evil character of this comic who wouldn't have done the same.
2- We know how dead Soon was, but maybe he wasn't like that in the past. Maybe he went better as he aged, maybe he felt guilty?
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2024-04-18, 07:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
Indeed. This again begs the question of how Calder arrived at this part of the dungeon in the first place?
Bottom line: If Rich really wants BF to be able to continue on from this battle with the OOtS party in order to advance the story the way he wants, I'm sure he'll be able to find a narrative and/or game mechanic that allows him to do so. Or he can simply create one. He is the Author/DM/OOtS universe fabricator after all. If he really wants something to happen, it's going to happen.Last edited by Menas; 2024-04-19 at 07:55 PM.
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2024-04-18, 07:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
I think Serini built the dungeon over him.
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Re: OOTS #1301 - The Discussion Thread
What would falsify your hypothesis, then?
I think saying that three of the Order's allies being out of the room they're in (and instead in the area they'll be passing through next if they proceed at all) means they've been eliminated from the comic in some meaningful way is already insupportable, but what events would cause you to agree that your hypothesis is refuted? Would Sunny being healed and once again able to fly do it? Would the Order rejoining the paladins before they see Xykon do it?Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II