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2024-04-29, 05:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
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2024-04-29, 05:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
Loky, I think you're genuinely one of the most innovative and creative builders to ever grace this competition, I love your builds, and I am so happy you are such a prolific entrant and judge, but there's no way I will have two Weapon Specialization contests in this short a timeframe. I do like the idea of having a ranged+melee round (I proposed something like it way back when, in fact), but not like this, and not quite yet.
The slate for the next round will probably be made up out of previously presented ideas that scored pretty well in the past few rounds but didn't quite make the cut.Creator of the LA-assignment thread.
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2024-04-29, 06:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
I agree it's not for next or next after next (or next after next after next or... y'know) round. It just idea for future (maybe far future) I put here to not forget. I remember this idea was in my mind somewhere in the previous year and then it disappeared. Don't want repeat.
And yeah, I miss these feats have WS as prerequisite.Last edited by loky1109; 2024-04-29 at 07:00 PM.
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2024-05-02, 12:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-02, 01:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-02, 04:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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2024-05-02, 04:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
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2024-05-02, 04:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Magnificent! I'll commence posting, please stand by until I give the all-clear.
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2024-05-02, 04:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
If you breathe a lot of fire, it's only natural to start seeing red...
Originally Posted by KazarhakCreator of the LA-assignment thread.
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2024-05-02, 04:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
An aspect-attired alliteration-appellated archdruid? Amazing, astounding, awesome!
Originally Posted by Sarah Silver joins the JunkyardCreator of the LA-assignment thread.
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2024-05-02, 04:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
So he keeps getting new breath weapons, but never the one he wants? That bites!
Originally Posted by DracusCreator of the LA-assignment thread.
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2024-05-02, 04:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
The Bremen town musicians look a bit different than I remember...
Originally Posted by GhidorahCreator of the LA-assignment thread.
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2024-05-02, 04:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
Dragons are like prismatics: they come in many colors, and they'll melt your face clean off.
Originally Posted by AiyanaCreator of the LA-assignment thread.
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2024-05-02, 04:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
Naturally, this robot comes with a built-in firewall.
Originally Posted by DR-460Creator of the LA-assignment thread.
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2024-05-02, 04:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Be careful not to choke on your aspirations...
Originally Posted by AzorgkhalCreator of the LA-assignment thread.
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2024-05-02, 04:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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It seems this round marks the happy return to single-class builds:
Originally Posted by Horatio H'WyrmbreatherCreator of the LA-assignment thread.
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2024-05-02, 04:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
Is this that 'pact magic' I've been hearing so much about?
Originally Posted by Purplebreath CrystaltongueCreator of the LA-assignment thread.
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2024-05-02, 04:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
Here follows the chair's exhibition entry. Judges are free to include it in their judgements or skip over it - it won't place either way.
Following our final real entry, it seems only fitting to have a bit of an...
Originally Posted by InevitabilityCreator of the LA-assignment thread.
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2024-05-02, 05:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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A whopping 9 entries, not counting my own: more than we've had in quite a while! You may post again.
Do we have a judge? As always, judges' votes weigh heavier when it comes to deciding the next round's theme!Last edited by Inevitability; 2024-05-02 at 05:02 AM.
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2024-05-02, 05:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
I will judge. It’s going to take a while, since there’s a lot of entries, but hopefully I’ll have it done in a couple weeks.
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2024-05-02, 01:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
Thanks, FactualArcher! Anyone else willing to judge, just say so and step up: you'll have a bigger say in the theme of the next round. You judge the crowd - we fudge the count.
And speaking of the count... here's the voting slate for next round's theme, all drawn from rejected-but-popular ideas from past slates! As always, please vote for exactly three of these.
Robin Smooth (Charming the Arrow + Ambush feats - Craven)
Shadows' Sting (Scorpion Wraith + Favored Enemy - Ranger)
Sphinxes and Scarabs (Glorious Servitor + Necromancy - Cleric)
Men are from Mars, demons are from Deimos (Any 'Thrall of' class + Fear - Imperious Command)
Perfected Pugilist (Improved Unarmed Strike + Any Type-Changing Class - Monk)
Flexible Morals (Thief-Acrobat + Abyssal Heritor Feats – Rogue)
Takes Two To Tango (Cloaked Dancer + Companion Creature - Bard)Last edited by Inevitability; 2024-05-02 at 01:31 PM.
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2024-05-03, 06:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept (VOTING OPEN)
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Robin Smooth
Perfected Pugilist
Flexible MoralsIf you could make anything and everything welcome to the Zinc Saucier XLV: Figaro
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2024-05-03, 07:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept (VOTING OPEN)
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Sphinxes and Scarabs (Glorious Servitor + Necromancy - Cleric)
Perfected Pugilist (Improved Unarmed Strike + Any Type-Changing Class - Monk)
Takes Two To Tango (Cloaked Dancer + Companion Creature - Bard)Build Contests
Horatio H'Wyrmbreather (Junkyard Wars XLVII) - 2nd Place
Ellay Hol (Junkyard Wars XLVI) - 1st Place
Officer Chip McDaniels (Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXVIII) - Honorable Mention
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2024-05-04, 01:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept
My vote.
Sphinxes and Scarabs (Glorious Servitor + Necromancy - Cleric)
Men are from Mars, demons are from Deimos (Any 'Thrall of' class + Fear - Imperious Command)
Takes Two To Tango (Cloaked Dancer + Companion Creature - Bard)Last edited by Condé; 2024-05-04 at 01:53 AM.
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2024-05-04, 05:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept (VOTING OPEN)
I’ve looked over all the builds and made a start on judging. I should be able to get a decent amount done this weekend.
As for my votes:
Takes Two to Tango
Shadow’s Sting
Robin Smooth
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2024-05-04, 07:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept (VOTING OPEN)
I make the table!
# Name Alignment / Race Class Levels Chef Total Place 1 Kazarhak LG Dragonborn of Bahumut Goliath Dungeoncrasher Fighter 6/Binder 4/Gold Dragon Samurai 9 2 Sarah Silver joins the Junkyard LN Silverbrow Human Elemental Companion Aspect of the Dragon Druid 20 3 Dracus CG Half-Battle Dragon Dragonborn of Bahumut Elan Lion Spirit Totem Skilled City-Dweller Barbarian 2/Skilled City-Dweller Totemist 2/Dragon Shaman 4/Bard 1/Master of Masks 2/Dragon Disciple 4/Half-Dragon Savage Progression 2/Half-Dragon Paragon 3 4 Ghidorah TN Sylph Wilderness Companion Sorcerer 1/Incantatrix 4/Wyrm Wizard 3 5 Aiyana ?? Dragonborn of Bahumut Silverbrow Human Immediate Magic Combat Dead Levels Wizard 2/Master Specialist 3/Incantatrix 4/Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil 7/Wurm Wizard 2/Archmage 2 6 DR-460 LG Dragonborn of Bahumut Warforged Warforged Dragonborn Charging Smite Curse Breaker Dead Levels Paladin 8/Shadowcaster 3/Mystic Theurge 8/Brimstone Speaker 1 7 Azorgkhal LE Dragonborn of Bahamut Lesser Aasimar Dragonscale Husk Duskblade 3/Dragonblood Sorcerer 2/Talon of Tiamat 4/Divine Crusader 1/Dragonheart Mage 10 8 Horatio H'Wyrmbreather NG Dragonborn of Bahamut Factotum 20 9 Purplebreath Crystaltongue CN Silverbrow Human Dragonblood Planar Sorcerer 5/Dracolexi 10/Mindbender 1/Nightmare Spinner 4 10 Epilogue NG Faerie Dragon Soldier of Light 4/Risen Martyr 6 Inevitability N/A N/A If you could make anything and everything welcome to the Zinc Saucier XLV: Figaro
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2024-05-04, 10:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept (VOTING OPEN)
Alrighty, I'll put my votes in:
Sphinxes and Scarabs - Necromancy with a bunch of lost CL! Sign me up!
Flexible Morals
Takes Two to TangoMy Avatar is Glimtwizzle, a Gnomish Fighter/Illusionist by Cuthalion.
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2024-05-05, 05:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept (VOTING OPEN)
Surprise judging!
It turns out I had a lot of free time this weekend, so here's some judging much earlier than promised. Feel free to dispute!
Spoiler: RubricOriginality
Starts at 3 by default, will be adjusted up/down from there
How expected is your race and any templates, if used?
How expected are your classes?
How expected are your feats, spells, and skills?
Do you have a unique and interesting trick/tactic?
Power
Can you adequately fulfill whatever role you choose at most levels in a mid-op party?
Can you do your main tricks throughout the length of a typical adventuring day?
Can you help at all outside of combat, by healing, tracking, divining or what have you?
Do you have the defenses expected of your role, or are you more or less vulnerable than would be expected?
Elegance
Starts at 5, questions are up to -1 each, automatic 1 if most of the entry is illegal.
Is everything legal?
Does anything rely on ambiguous wording?
Does your build keep a relatively low number of classes and templates? I’m generally fairly lenient on this, but more than 1 single level dip or more than 5 classes/templates will likely cause penalties.
Is your build extremely item reliant, or can you run on normal distribution and kinds of magic items?
Is your entry neat and are all sources listed?
UotSI
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs both provide enough power to use regularly?
Do you have any interesting tricks based on your Breath Weapon or SLAs?
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs synergize at all, or are they almost never used at the same time?
Do you get both ingredients legally and in a timely fashion?
Spoiler: Kazarhak, the Burning Bull 13.75Originality 3.5
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How expected is your race and any templates, if used?
Dragonborn is pretty expected as it’s the easiest way to get a breath weapon. Goliath is off the beaten path, though. -0.25
How expected are your classes?
Dungeoncrasher Fighter 6 is an uncommon class, Binder is moderately rare and one of the rarest ways to get a breath weapon, and Dragon Samurai is so bad it’s pretty unexpected even in a breath weapon round. Have +0.5
How expected are your feats, spells, and skills?
Clinging and Quicken Breath are fairly expected, and Power Attack and Knockback are common, but Spell Hand is out there and Extra Exhalation is likewise seldom (never, previously?) used in contests. +0.25
Do you have a unique and interesting trick/tactic?
Breath Weapon stacking is cool and all, though it’s pretty expected for the round. Not much positive or negative. +0
Power 3.5
Can you adequately fulfill whatever role you choose at most levels in a mid-op party?
You’re a decent bruiser from the get go, and can do pretty good damage throughout. +0.5
Can you do your main tricks throughout the length of a typical adventuring day?
You will have trouble making your Dragon Samurai breath last, but it should be okay by high levels and everything else isn’t limited. +0.25
Can you help at all outside of combat, by healing, tracking, divining or what have you?
You have basically no skills or ability to do casting support, severely limiting your usefulness outside of a straight fight. -0.5
Do you have the defenses expected of your role, or are you more or less vulnerable than would be expected?
You are quite a tank, as you point out, and your saves are decent enough. I feel like you do overstate just how tough you are slightly, however. +0.25
Elegance 4.75
Starts at 5, questions are up to -1 each, automatic 1 if most of the entry is illegal.
Is everything legal?
Yes. +0
Does anything rely on ambiguous wording?
Not as far as I can see. You do a good job making sure that your dragon samurai breath qualifies for metabreath feats. +0
Does your build keep a relatively low number of classes and templates? I’m generally fairly lenient on this, but more than 1 single level dip or more than 5 classes/templates will likely cause penalties.
You are well within the parameters. +0
Is your build extremely item reliant, or can you run on normal distribution and kinds of magic items?
You can do your main tricks without items. +0
Is your entry neat and are all sources listed?
It would be nice if you listed your total skill ranks at each level instead of just the changes. Also, it would be nice if you listed what comes from each source instead of just the sources themselves. Not too bad, though. -0.25
UotSI 2
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs both provide enough power to use regularly?
You use your breath weapon every battle, though your SLAs are basically useless. 1 out of 2 means even points. +0
Do you have any interesting tricks based on your Breath Weapon or SLAs?
The breath stacking is decent and reasonably powerful, though it’s really interesting. You don’t have any interesting tricks with your SLAs as they only barely exist. -0.5
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs synergize at all, or are they almost never used at the same time?
You basically don’t use your SLAs at all, so that’s a bit of a let down. -0.5
Do you get both ingredients legally and in a timely fashion?
You have your breath from the get go and get Spell Hand by third level, though again, you don’t really use your SLAs for much. +0
Notes: This build was nice and clean, and though it’s not the most innovative it seems like it would be fun to play. I wasn’t a fan of the total neglect of the SLAs, though. It really felt like you just burned a feat to qualify for the comp instead of trying to actually integrate it into your strategy.
Spoiler: Sarah Silver 12.75Originality 2.5
Starts at 3 by default, will be adjusted up/down from there
How expected is your race and any templates, if used?
Silverbrow human is always pretty expected. A lack of Dragonborn is a tiny bit surprising, though. -0.25
How expected are your classes?
The one class gimmick is pretty unexpected, so have some points. Aspect of the Dragon druid is rare as well. +0.5
How expected are your feats, spells, and skills?
Shape Soulmeld and friends are moderately expected, though Cobalt Expertise is rarer. Spells and skills are nothing inspired. -0.25
Do you have a unique and interesting trick/tactic?
You don’t really do anything other than standard druid stuff. While you might have the potential for interesting tricks, you don’t really explain your tactics enough for me to see them. -0.5
Power 4
Can you adequately fulfill whatever role you choose at most levels in a mid-op party?
You aren’t particularly powerful for a full caster, but you still are at least a full caster. +0.25
Can you do your main tricks throughout the length of a typical adventuring day?
Your stamina is pretty good with lots of Breath Weapons and decent spells per day from Druid +0.25
Can you help at all outside of combat, by healing, tracking, divining or what have you?
Again, you’re a Druid so yeah, you can do fairly normal caster stuff. +0.25
Do you have the defenses expected of your role, or are you more or less vulnerable than would be expected?
You’re pretty average defensively for a druid. I suppose combat expertise and above average Con is enough to get you some points. +0.25
Elegance 4.5
Starts at 5, questions are up to -1 each, automatic 1 if most of the entry is illegal.
Is everything legal?
Yeah, everything here is legal. +0
Does anything rely on ambiguous wording?
Bonus Essentia requires the ability to shape “soulmelds” and since you can only shape one soulmeld it’s ambiguous whether you actually qualify. -0.25
Does your build keep a relatively low number of classes and templates? I’m generally fairly lenient on this, but more than 1 single level dip or more than 5 classes/templates will likely cause penalties.
Yeah, you do pretty well at keeping a low number of classes. +0
Is your build extremely item reliant, or can you run on normal distribution and kinds of magic items?
You’re fine without items. +0
Is your entry neat and are all sources listed?
Your ability table hurts my eyes, but that’s not actually going to cost you points. You don’t actually list where your elements come from though, which is enough for a small penalty. -0.25
UotSI 1.75
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs both provide enough power to use regularly?
As far as I can tell you only have one SLA that is only useful in specific circumstances and breath weapons that do significantly less damage than blasting spells. -0.5
Do you have any interesting tricks based on your Breath Weapon or SLAs?
No, not really. -0.5
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs synergize at all, or are they almost never used at the same time?
They’re barely even used at all. -0.5
Do you get both ingredients legally and in a timely fashion?
You have an SLA from first level and breath weapons by fifth, which is pretty good. +0.25
Notes: This build wasn’t particularly interesting to me. I feel like it could be perfectly fun to play, but the rather sparse descriptor texts left me with no idea how it plays or why it actually needs to use Breath Weapons. It’s still a druid, so it can’t be too weak, but it doesn’t really fit the theme super well, IMHO.
Spoiler: Dracus, Discount Tiamat 13Originality 4.25
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How expected is your race and any templates, if used?
Dragonborn is pretty expected in this comp, and Elan is rare ish but not unused. Half Dragon is pretty surprising, however. +0.25
How expected are your classes?
Lion Totem Barbarian and Totemist are both pretty common dips. Bard shows up a moderate amount, though Master of Masks, Dragon Shaman, Dragon Disciple and Half Dragon Paragon are all pretty rare, though perhaps a little more expected than usual due to the round. +0.25
How expected are your feats, spells, and skills?
Dragonfire Inspiration and Rapidstrike are pretty expected, but the rest are all quite rare. Special shout out to Furious Inhalation. +0.25
Do you have a unique and interesting trick/tactic?
Furious Inhalation+stacking large numbers of bites is a nice trick, enough for full marks here. +0.5
Power 3.75
Can you adequately fulfill whatever role you choose at most levels in a mid-op party?
You’re a decent bruiser throughout and should be able to do impressive damage at high levels. +0.5
Can you do your main tricks throughout the length of a typical adventuring day?
You only ever get three rage uses, meaning that in an average of one fight per day you are much weaker. It’s not completely terrible, but it’s not great. -0.25
Can you help at all outside of combat, by healing, tracking, divining or what have you?
You’ve got some outside of combat magic spells, SLAs, and skills, so you won’t be totally useless, though you’re also not amazing. +0.25
Do you have the defenses expected of your role, or are you more or less vulnerable than would be expected?
You take some detours into lower HD classes and lose two hit dice to level adjustment, meaning you have fewer hit points than the average barbarian type, but I think your stronger saves are enough to cancel that out. +0
Elegance 1.75
Starts at 5, questions are up to -1 each, automatic 1 if most of the entry is illegal.
Is everything legal?
Everything is legal. +0
Does anything rely on ambiguous wording?
I don’t think that you can use Furious Inhalation more than once per rage. It specifies “one use of your breath weapon” which implies that you can only use the effect once per rage. Now, I acknowledge this is ambiguous, so the penalty isn’t too large. In addition, Dragonborn simultaneously states your type is humanoid and your original type in different locations, meaning it’s slightly ambiguous whether you actually qualify for Rapidstrike. -0.5
Does your build keep a relatively low number of classes and templates? I’m generally fairly lenient on this, but more than 1 single level dip or more than 5 classes/templates will likely cause penalties.
Seven classes, one template class, and a pseudo template is quite a lot. -0.5
Is your build extremely item reliant, or can you run on normal distribution and kinds of magic items?
You do perfectly well without magic items. +0
Is your entry neat and are all sources listed?
Your entry is neat and most of your sources are listed. However, you didn’t link to the online progression for Half Dragon and you didn’t actually say which flaws you took, which I’m not a fan of. -0.25
You use two flaws, which as per contest rules is an automatic -2 Elegance.
UotSI 3.25
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs both provide enough power to use regularly?
Your breath weapons are all definitely usable, which is nice, though your SLAs are fairly weak. +0.25
Do you have any interesting tricks based on your Breath Weapon or SLAs?
Furious Inhalation is a good, breath weapon based trick, though again not much is coming from SLAs. +0.25
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs synergize at all, or are they almost never used at the same time?
Like the previous two entries, your SLAs seem mostly to be an afterthought, and indeed you literally can’t use most of your SLAs at the same time as one of your breath weapons. -0.5
Do you get both ingredients legally and in a timely fashion?
You don’t get SLAs until 7th, but you do have multiple sources and several breath weapons. Pretty good in all. +0.25
Notes: I liked this build quite a bit. The Furious Inhalation trick was good and the joke about trying to turn into a Silver Dragon was fairly entertaining and helps tie together the disparate elements. That said, it suffers from some rule issues and needs the use of Flaws to work, weakening its standing in the competition.
Spoiler: Ghidorah 14.75Originality 4.5
Starts at 3 by default, will be adjusted up/down from there
How expected is your race and any templates, if used?
Sylph was not expected at all, and the use of a high la creature in this comp is rare enough for some extra points. Same thing with Multi Headed. +1
How expected are your classes?
Sorcerer, Incantrix, and Wyrm Wizard are all pretty common, however. -0.5
How expected are your feats, spells, and skills?
Most of your feats are pretty unique, though using Otyugh hole as a free bonus feat isn’t good. +0
Do you have a unique and interesting trick/tactic?
The mount breath weapon stacking thing is quite unique. +0.5
Power 3
Can you adequately fulfill whatever role you choose at most levels in a mid-op party?
You struggle a lot early on to stay relevant, though you do eventually become a powerhouse. -0.25
Can you do your main tricks throughout the length of a typical adventuring day?
You have above average stamina and by 19th should be able to work through the whole day. +0.25
Can you help at all outside of combat, by healing, tracking, divining or what have you?
You’re a good scout and have enough spells to be pretty useful outside of combat. +0.25
Do you have the defenses expected of your role, or are you more or less vulnerable than would be expected?
You’re pretty vulnerable if anyone can see through your invisibility, probably even more so than a wizard. -0.25
Elegance 2.5
Starts at 5, questions are up to -1 each, automatic 1 if most of the entry is illegal.
Is everything legal?
You can’t get a Fleshraker from Wilderness companion as it scales off of ½ your class level, not effective casting level. This is pretty bad, though not completely debilitating for your build. -0.75
Does anything rely on ambiguous wording?
Also, normally ½ of 1 is rounded down to zero in D&D meaning you wouldn’t actually get an animal companion, though that seems like it’s against RAI. Retraining also isn’t guaranteed to be allowed in a campaign. Finally, it’s not really clear how Share Spell and When Two Become One interact. I think your interpretation is the most likely, but I could also see a DM rule that you would have to each merge with a different horse. It’s also unclear if your horse shares spells with you, making the breathing combo potentially weaker as the spell Dragon Breath isn’t an extraordinary or supernatural ability. -1
Does your build keep a relatively low number of classes and templates? I’m generally fairly lenient on this, but more than 1 single level dip or more than 5 classes/templates will likely cause penalties.
RHD+Template+3 classes is fine. +0
Is your build extremely item reliant, or can you run on normal distribution and kinds of magic items?
You need a fair number of specific items to make your main combo work, but it’s not too bad. -0.25
Is your entry neat and are all sources listed?
Your entry is kind of a mess, as you yourself pointed out. The references to Zhentarim Skymage scattered throughout were annoying, but I understand you ran out of time. -0.5
UotSI 4.75
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs both provide enough power to use regularly?
You definitely use both quite regularly. +0.5
Do you have any interesting tricks based on your Breath Weapon or SLAs?
The breath weapon stacking with Multiheaded was pretty interesting. +0.5
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs synergize at all, or are they almost never used at the same time?
You’ll definitely be using both most of the time, though there’s not a huge amount of specific synergy. +0.25
Do you get both ingredients legally and in a timely fashion?
You have both a breath weapon and SLAs from the time you become a playable character. +0.5
Notes: I really liked the innovative theory-crafting in the build and the fact that it has a reason to actually use SLAs. That said, it was a bit of a mess to read and I think that if you had had a little more time it could have been even better.
Spoiler: Aiyana Spiritshard 15Originality 2
Starts at 3 by default, will be adjusted up/down from there
How expected is your race and any templates, if used?
Silverbrow human into dragonborn is about as expected as it gets for this contest. -0.5
How expected are your classes?
Wizard, Incantrix, IotSFV and Archmage are all pretty expected. Wyrm Wizard and Master Specialist are also both fairly common. -0.5
How expected are your feats, spells, and skills?
Precocious Apprentice, Entangling Exhalation, Touchstone and Persistent Spell are all quite common, though the unexpected metabreath feats you took mitigate this somewhat. -0.25
Do you have a unique and interesting trick/tactic?
Getting Miracle as an SLA is interesting, though it’s not totally unheard of for an archmage. +0.25
Power 5
Can you adequately fulfill whatever role you choose at most levels in a mid-op party?
You are a highly optimized wizard, so yes. +0.5
Can you do your main tricks throughout the length of a typical adventuring day?
You have pretty good stamina due to relying on breath weapons in addition to spells. +0.5
Can you help at all outside of combat, by healing, tracking, divining or what have you?
With decent skills and wizard spell access, you’ll be a valuable aid outside of combat. +0.5
Do you have the defenses expected of your role, or are you more or less vulnerable than would be expected?
The emphasis on high con forms and abjuration focus significantly increase your defenses. +0.5
Elegance 4.5
Starts at 5, questions are up to -1 each, automatic 1 if most of the entry is illegal.
Is everything legal?
You don’t actually explain how you get Miracle as an SLA, but the Spell Like Ability high arcana that you seem to be using only works on Arcane Spells, which miracle certainly is not. -1
Penalty removed.
Does anything rely on ambiguous wording?
You retrain two feats, which won’t necessarily be legal in a lot of campaigns. -0.5
Penalty removed.
Does your build keep a relatively low number of classes and templates? I’m generally fairly lenient on this, but more than 1 single level dip or more than 5 classes/templates will likely cause penalties.
You are under the stated limit. +0
Is your build extremely item reliant, or can you run on normal distribution and kinds of magic items?
You need some items to boost your concentration high enough to use Incantrix abilities. -0.25
Is your entry neat and are all sources listed?
You don’t explain a lot of your abilities, making it hard for me to figure out what you can actually do. -0.25
UotSI 3.5
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs both provide enough power to use regularly?
You don’t start using either until mid levels, but once you do they are both quite powerful. +0.25
Do you have any interesting tricks based on your Breath Weapon or SLAs?
The massive con DC stacking makes your breath weapon threatening. +0.25
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs synergize at all, or are they almost never used at the same time?
There’s not much direct synergy, but you’ll be wanting to use both during most battles. +0.25
Do you get both ingredients legally and in a timely fashion?
You don’t really have SLAs until 10th and don’t have a proper breath weapon until 5th, which isn’t ideal. -0.25
Notes: This build is hugely powerful, even though I don’t think its main trick actually works. I feel like there’s not a ton else to say here.
Spoiler: DR-460 18Originality 4.25
Starts at 3 by default, will be adjusted up/down from there
How expected is your race and any templates, if used?
Dragonborn is pretty expected, though at least your base isn’t another Silverbrow human. -0.25
How expected are your classes?
Paladin wasn’t expected, Shadowcaster really wasn’t expected, and Mystic Theurge and Brimstone Speaker were also not expected. +0.5
How expected are your feats, spells, and skills?
I had never heard of Burning Barrier of Breath and every other feat you take is at least somewhat rare except for Practiced Spellcaster. +0.5
Do you have a unique and interesting trick/tactic?
Burning Barrier of Breath+Clinging Darkness is pretty interesting. +0.5
Power 4
Can you adequately fulfill whatever role you choose at most levels in a mid-op party?
You are a one trick pony, but you can do it from first level and it’s a pretty nice trick. You are in trouble against fire immune foes, though. +0.25
Can you do your main tricks throughout the length of a typical adventuring day?
You spend a lot of time on getting more breath weapons and Clinging Darkness, giving you impressive stamina. +0.5
Can you help at all outside of combat, by healing, tracking, divining or what have you?
You’ve got some out of combat stuff from skills and Shadowcaster mysteries, but really not a lot. +0
Do you have the defenses expected of your role, or are you more or less vulnerable than would be expected?
I can’t decide whether you are a martial or a battlefield control caster, but either way you are fairly well defended. +0.25
Elegance 4.75
Starts at 5, questions are up to -1 each, automatic 1 if most of the entry is illegal.
Is everything legal?
Does anything rely on ambiguous wording?
Pretty much your entire build relies on the ambiguous wording of Burning Barrier of Breath. I think you take the most reasonable interpretation everywhere, though I’m not 100% sure I buy your reasoning for it being an SLA. That’s only a minor point, though. -0.25
Does your build keep a relatively low number of classes and templates? I’m generally fairly lenient on this, but more than 1 single level dip or more than 5 classes/templates will likely cause penalties.
Only four classes and one dip means you’re in the clear here. +0
Is your build extremely item reliant, or can you run on normal distribution and kinds of magic items?
You do perfectly well without magic items. +0
Is your entry neat and are all sources listed?
Your entry is quite neat, and I especially appreciate the rules explanation. It makes my job a lot easier. +0
UotSI 5
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs both provide enough power to use regularly?
You are pretty much always using SLAs and Breath weapons from the get go. +0.5
Do you have any interesting tricks based on your Breath Weapon or SLAs?
Burning Barrier of Breath is great, and Clinging Darkness is surprisingly good. +0.5
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs synergize at all, or are they almost never used at the same time?
You literally use your breath weapon to fuel an SLA. It’s hard to get more synergistic than that. +0.5
Do you get both ingredients legally and in a timely fashion?
You have both from 1st level. +0.5
Notes: I really liked this build’s central trick. It’s creative and decently powerful, and you do a good job making it work. I also love seeing some Tome of Magic action. I feel like that book always gets a worse rap than it properly deserves. Finally, the part of your stub that read “Dragonborn Warforged Warforged Dragonborn…” made me laugh. All in all, a really nicely made build.
Spoiler: Azorghal, The Treacherous Breath 15.75Originality 3
Starts at 3 by default, will be adjusted up/down from there
How expected is your race and any templates, if used?
Lesser Aasimar is fairly common, and Dragonborn is quite expected. -0.5
How expected are your classes?
Sorcerer is expected, but Duskblade, Talon of Tiamat, Divine Crusader, and Dragonheart Mage all run the gamut from moderately common to very rare. +0.25
How expected are your feats, spells, and skills?
The focus on Metabreath feats is pretty expected, but the Draconic feats you took are all at least mildly unexpected. +0
Do you have a unique and interesting trick/tactic?
Using Talon of Tiamat to combo with Draconic Breath is pretty interesting though the general concept is a fairly obvious one for a Breath Weapon round. +0.25
Power 4.25
Can you adequately fulfill whatever role you choose at most levels in a mid-op party?
You are always a pretty decent blaster and ramp up pretty significantly by high levels. +0.5
Can you do your main tricks throughout the length of a typical adventuring day?
You can really only breathe once per battle, but once you get past 10th level or so you have good stamina. Before, you struggle a little. +0.25
Can you help at all outside of combat, by healing, tracking, divining or what have you?
You can be a decent face, though your magic is pretty strictly combat oriented. +0.25
Do you have the defenses expected of your role, or are you more or less vulnerable than would be expected?
You are reasonably tanky, though not to an insane degree. +0.25
Elegance 4.75
Starts at 5, questions are up to -1 each, automatic 1 if most of the entry is illegal.
Is everything legal?
You have no legal issues as far as I can see. +0
Does anything rely on ambiguous wording?
You’re in the clear here as well. +0
Does your build keep a relatively low number of classes and templates? I’m generally fairly lenient on this, but more than 1 single level dip or more than 5 classes/templates will likely cause penalties.
5 classes and 1 dip is right within the parameters I set out, so you are fine. I respect taking Dragonheart Mage to ten. +0
Is your build extremely item reliant, or can you run on normal distribution and kinds of magic items?
You work well without any magic items. +0
Is your entry neat and are all sources listed?
You don’t cite where each element comes from, making your source list hard to follow, but it’s nothing major. -0.25
UotSI 3.75
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs both provide enough power to use regularly?
You regularly use your breath weapon, but your SLAs are only used rarely. +0.25
Do you have any interesting tricks based on your Breath Weapon or SLAs?
The way in which you qualified for metabreath feats with Draconic Breath was a clever twist in wording, and it gives you an impressively powerful weapon. +0.5
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs synergize at all, or are they almost never used at the same time?
Like most builds, your SLAs are pretty neglected and there’s very little synergy. -0.5
Do you get both ingredients legally and in a timely fashion?
As you point out, you do have both from level 1. +0.5
Notes: This is a very solid build. It’s got one major trick that works and does decent damage, and its got just enough other stuff to avoid being a one trick pony.
Spoiler: Horatio H’Wyrmbreather 16Originality 3.5
Starts at 3 by default, will be adjusted up/down from there
How expected is your race and any templates, if used?
You don’t actually list what base race you are… Also, you are one of like six dragonborn in the contest. -0.5
How expected are your classes?
Factotum is moderately expected, but going all the way to twenty definitely wasn’t. +0.5
How expected are your feats, spells, and skills?
Your feats are pretty all over the place, though metabreath wasn’t unexpected and Knowledge Devotion is common. The rest I didn’t see coming, though. +0.25
Do you have a unique and interesting trick/tactic?
Having multiple kinds of breath weapons and using Cunning Surge isn’t the most innovative combo ever, but it’s something. +0.25
Power 3.5
Can you adequately fulfill whatever role you choose at most levels in a mid-op party?
As a Factotum, you’re basically always a decent skill monkey and you can do decent damage especially against swarms. You are a little on the weaker side in direct combat, though. +0.25
Can you do your main tricks throughout the length of a typical adventuring day?
Your stamina isn’t terrible, though making your limited spells last will be hard and you can burn through your Inspiration pretty quickly. -0.25
Can you help at all outside of combat, by healing, tracking, divining or what have you?
You are extremely knowledgeable and can access a wide variety of spells if need be. +0.5
Do you have the defenses expected of your role, or are you more or less vulnerable than would be expected?
You’re probably a little tougher than average, given a likely con focus, but since you didn’t include ability scores anywhere I can see, I can’t tell. +0
Elegance 4.75
Starts at 5, questions are up to -1 each, automatic 1 if most of the entry is illegal.
Is everything legal?
Yeah, everything you’re doing is legal. +0
Does anything rely on ambiguous wording?
A very clear build in terms of rules. +0
Does your build keep a relatively low number of classes and templates? I’m generally fairly lenient on this, but more than 1 single level dip or more than 5 classes/templates will likely cause penalties.
You pass this checkpoint with flying colors. +0
Is your build extremely item reliant, or can you run on normal distribution and kinds of magic items?
Like most Factota, you’re fine without magic items.+0
Is your entry neat and are all sources listed?
Your sources are listed, though you are missing ability scores and there’s something weird going on with your table’s formatting. -0.25
UotSI 4.25
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs both provide enough power to use regularly?
You use SLAs a ton, and while I’m not convinced breath weapon is worth it for you that often, your familiar will rarely have anything better to do. +0.5
Do you have any interesting tricks based on your Breath Weapon or SLAs?
Using a lot of breath weapons with cunning surge and stuff is hardly an interesting trick, though I guess sharing them with your familiar is something. +0.25
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs synergize at all, or are they almost never used at the same time?
You can use SLAs to power up your breath weapon or to get your breath weapon in the first place. Some decent synergy here. +0.25
Do you get both ingredients legally and in a timely fashion?
You have breath weapons from the get go and SLAs from level 2, so full marks here. +0.5
Notes: I liked this build. It was simple, but it was quite solid and satisfying. It was a little weak, but it continuously functions at at least a decent level. Also, I assume the name is a Hornblower reference, which is nice. Those books are cool.
Spoiler: Purplebreath Crystaltongue 15.25Originality 2.75
Starts at 3 by default, will be adjusted up/down from there
How expected is your race and any templates, if used?
Yet another Silverbrow Human. You’re not a dragonborn, but whatever. -0.5
How expected are your classes?
Sorcerer is pretty middle of the road, and a one level mindbender dip is super common, but Dracolexi and Nightmare Spinner are rarer. +0.25
How expected are your feats, spells, and skills?
Mindsight and Entangling Exhalation are quite common, though the rest of your feats are rarer. All in all, pretty even. +0
Do you have a unique and interesting trick/tactic?
Stacking spells on breath weapons is hardly a unique tactic, especially for this round. +0
Power 4
Can you adequately fulfill whatever role you choose at most levels in a mid-op party?
You are always a competent caster, though you are never amazingly powerful. +0.25
Can you do your main tricks throughout the length of a typical adventuring day?
You have lots of spell slots and decent stamina with that, though it’s still definitely possible for you to run out of steam. +0.25
Can you help at all outside of combat, by healing, tracking, divining or what have you?
You are a good face and can supplement with magic if need be. +0.5
Do you have the defenses expected of your role, or are you more or less vulnerable than would be expected?
You are pretty much exactly as vulnerable as the average wizard type. +0
Elegance 4.25
Starts at 5, questions are up to -1 each, automatic 1 if most of the entry is illegal.
Is everything legal?
Does anything rely on ambiguous wording?
I’m not a fan of the custom Dragonpact. I think it’s a little more powerful than the existing ones and it is up to DM approval, though it’s not strictly illegal per say. Also, Arcane Spellsurge doesn’t work with SLAs from your Dragonpact, limiting its usefulness somewhat. -0.75
Does your build keep a relatively low number of classes and templates? I’m generally fairly lenient on this, but more than 1 single level dip or more than 5 classes/templates will likely cause penalties.
You stay within the parameters here. +0
Is your build extremely item reliant, or can you run on normal distribution and kinds of magic items?
You do perfectly fine without items. +0
Is your entry neat and are all sources listed?
Yeah. Thanks for citing every spell. +0
UotSI 4.25
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs both provide enough power to use regularly?
You have a decent number of SLAs, though I’m not sure your breath weapon is that much better than using normal blasting spells. Still, you put in enough work that they’re usable sometimes. +0
Do you have any interesting tricks based on your Breath Weapon or SLAs?
Roughly half of the builds used some kind of Breath Weapon+Breath Weapon Spell stacking, but it is something. +0.25
Do your Breath Weapon and SLAs synergize at all, or are they almost never used at the same time?
You are using SLAs to power up your breath weapon, so props on that. +0.5
Do you get both ingredients legally and in a timely fashion?
You have both from first level. +0.5
Notes: This is a solid build. Powerful enough and syngergistic. I feel like it’s not the height of innovation, but it’s very serviceable.
Spoiler: Notes on EpilogueAfter doing nine judgings I’m too tired to do a proper write up, but I really liked the build. I’m a sucker for fairy tale logic stories. It has a sort of discworld vibe, which I love.
Nice job on picking an actual dragon and making Risen Martyr worth something. I didn’t realize Faerie Dragons were this scary.
Anyway, I didn’t see any of this coming and I think this build would have done really well. As always, it was a pleasure to read. My one nitpick would be that I didn’t really see the point of Soldier of Light, especially after the first two levels. It felt a little thrown in, so I’d like to hear what your reasoning was for that.
Overall Notes:
This was a healthy round with a lot of diversity. I liked most of the entries, and I was overall impressed with the quality of the round. One thing that stood out to me was the neglect of SLAs in a lot of builds- often only one or two that didn’t directly contribute to anything much. I suppose as Kazarhak’s chef pointed out, there’s a strong temptation to focus on breathing fire. Still it would have been cool to see some more integration of the two ingredients. Anyways, feel free to dispute if I missed something, which is definitely possible.Last edited by FactualArcher; 2024-05-10 at 05:13 AM.
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Re: Junkyard Wars XLVII: SLAs + Breath Weapon - Dragonfire Adept (VOTING OPEN)
Thank you for the quick turnaround on judging!
No disputes from me.Build Contests
Horatio H'Wyrmbreather (Junkyard Wars XLVII) - 2nd Place
Ellay Hol (Junkyard Wars XLVI) - 1st Place
Officer Chip McDaniels (Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXVIII) - Honorable Mention