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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
You know what, we'll see how it goes when we get there. It's a long way away... After all, we aren't close to the end of the first book, and this thread will celebrate its 1st birthday tomorrow :smallbiggrin:
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
I have had a discussion with FarmerBink about Fiilburn morphing into a different build that would better fit his trait (Riftwarden Orphan). The idea would be to become a Black-Blade Arcanist/Eldritch Knight, still fulfilling the role of magically-endowed swordsman, but doing it in a different way that might allow some significant retraining and reworking of Filburn into a PC that better fits that idea. If no one else is likely to be upset by such an action, I might go ahead and do that during a period of significant down-time and do what I can to make the build work out better for that trait's fluff.
Does anyone have any issues with such a shift?
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
Do you mean a Blade Adept Arcanist?
I wouldn't object, except on one count: This looks quite a lot like a magus, or at least someone occupying the same niche as Morevek. I'm not sure how much of an issue this could become.
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
If I'm being perfectly frank, as mentioned above, I'm concerned about finding a niche for Filburn along those lines that doesn't step on too many toes between Morevek, Aurora, and Elrembriel. Honestly, I don't see much room in there, but I'm certainly open to suggestions if there's something I'm missing.
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
Arcanist / Eldritch Knight would always be one whole spell level behind a full wizard, so I don't think he would step on Elrembriel's domain much. Anyway, you can never have too many spells :smallcool:
But the main concern is for Morevek, as far as I can see.
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
Filburn already uses magic to buff himself in combat, and the real "schticks" of the Magus is delivering spells with their weapons and attacking in the same round as they cast spells, IMO. A Blade Adept Arcanist (using a Black Blade) does not really do those same things. Instead, they are gishes in the more traditional sense - buffs and the occasional spell thrown at the enemy. In this respect Filburn would keep doing what he has always done - cast self-buffs and attack the enemy.
If people don't like the idea of such a transition, I won't push the issue. I present it as a way to better tie the mechanics to the fluff of Filburn's campaign trait.
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
I see - the black blade is from a magus archetype, but obtained through an arcanist archetype. A bit confusing.
Where I'm less sure is how the Eldritch Knight plays here. Wouldn't that stop your black blade progression?
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
There is an Arcanist exploit unique to the Blade Adept archetype that advances the Black Blade based on the PC's caster level. Filburn would be taking that exploit before going into Eldritch Knight.
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
I see. An interesting build. No objections from me.
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I'm taking the light steel shield.
Getting it changed to a quickdraw shield.
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
Ok,
I'd like to trade in the Defending Warhammer, splitting the funds amongst the party. Also, no one will be using the Ranseur so we should trade that as well. Any other art or fluff item should also get sold so that we can buy stuff. I'm also going to give up the banded mail and current quick draw shield (to be sold)
Aurora is going to order a set of masterwork full plate and modify the +1 light shield we found to be a quick draw. If she doesn't have enough, she'll borrow some from Elembriel (worked out in google hangouts) in order to cover the difference.
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
Speaking of loot, I'll remind everyone that Waylan can have Masterwork Transformation prepped in a day to upgrade things to masterwork at-cost.
Besides upgrading his own buckler, he's not buying much right now except some fancy arrows, so he can also front someone cash for a major purchase.
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
Due to Morevek's equipment restrictions, there's really only 2 classes of weapons of which I'm aware that benefit him. One is weapons, and the other is magic items that aren't armor. The weapon thing I'm going to work out (since after conversation with DM it seems reasonable to tweak Morevek's choice of weapon, short version: not crit fishing due to very few spells per day vs. a "vanilla" magus) and decide something, but other than that... depends on what sort of magic items are likely to be available.
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
So, I've gone through and deleted all the claimed items and left only the items from the table that we are selling. I don't think we're gonna get full value on that defending warhammer based on a conversation with John about a month ago when we first got it. I am including it as is though for now until we get a full ruling on that.
Item |
Quantity |
Value(unit) |
Proceeds |
Identified? |
Found |
Owner |
Defending Warhammer +1 |
1 |
8312 |
|
y |
Dwarf Cave |
Aurora |
Banded mail |
1 |
250 |
|
y |
Blackwing |
? |
Alchemist fire |
3 |
20 |
|
y |
Cultists |
? |
Breastplate |
5 |
200 |
|
y |
Cultists |
? |
Longsword |
5 |
15 |
|
y |
Cultists |
? |
Heavy crossbow, 20 bolts |
6 |
2+ 100 |
|
y |
Cultists |
? |
Masterwork breastplate |
1 |
350 |
|
y |
Cultists |
? |
Masterwork longsword |
1 |
315 |
|
y |
Cultists |
? |
Ranseur of the Gargoyle (IC post #675) |
1 |
2310? |
|
y |
Aneiva's and Irabeth's |
? |
Scroll of Death Knell |
1 |
150 |
|
y |
Hosilla |
? |
Potion of Invisibility |
1 |
300 |
|
y |
Hosilla |
? |
Alchemist's fire |
2 |
20 |
|
y |
Hosilla |
? |
Antitoxin |
1 |
50 |
|
y |
Hosilla |
? |
Masterwork dagger |
1 |
302 |
|
y |
Renegade mongrelmen |
? |
Gold |
129 |
1 |
|
y |
False crusaders |
? |
Marble statuette |
1 |
75 |
|
y |
Millorn |
? |
Masterwork dagger |
1 |
302 |
|
y |
Millorn |
? |
Platinum |
8 |
10 |
|
y |
Millorn |
? |
Gold |
7 |
1 |
|
y |
Millorn |
? |
Total |
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14341 |
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That is 1434.1 gp per person.
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
I was gonna put this in Hangouts, but it's worth making sure it doesn't get lost:
Horgus also gave you each 1,000 gold. Barring other sale items, that brings your effective total to 2,434g, 1s (plus whatever you started with and trait bonuses).
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
My first desire is to get Filburn's shield repaired. What will that take? Is it worth purchasing a new shield instead?
Then, once I have more time to devote to selecting some gear, I will work out other items Filburn would either purchase or commission.
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
Elrembriel works on spells, depending on how much time she has. In order:
Invisibility Spellcraft DC17 [roll0] 1 hour + if successful, 2 hours to copy - success
Grease Spellcraft DC16 [roll1] 1 hour + if successful, 1 hour to copy - failed. This stops here, after 4 hours
Silent Image Spellcraft DC16 [roll2] 1 hour + if successful, 1 hour to copy
Resist Energy Spellcraft DC17 [roll3] 1 hour + if successful, 2 hours to copy
Fog cloud Spellcraft DC17 [roll4] 1 hour + if successful, 2 hours to copy
Shocking Grasp Spellcraft DC16 [roll5] 1 hour + if successful, 1 hour to copy
... just let me know how many hours she can spend on this.
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
Alright, so, to conclusively clarify - does anyone care if I plan to retrain Filburn, providing we ever get enough time? If that is something that FarmerBink will support and I decide I want to accomplish, there will be some role-playing that preempts the process, and I would like to start drafting up how that will happen. JWallyR doesn't appear to mind and Gwynfrid seems unconcerned, so unless someone else says not to do this, I am going to go ahead and start figuring out how to make it all happen...
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
1: Repairing the shield will cost half the cost of the shield. I don't think your shield was special, so unless you're planning to upgrade, I think it's worth the cost.
2: You all have about 4 hours of usable time that evening- assuming you don't want activities to cut into sleep and risk being fatigued the next day.
3: OOC- between me and you, there will be a significant opportunity for down-time retraining and such, at the end of this book. We're give-or-take 1/2 to 2/3rds of the way through it, in terms of actual encounters, but it will take you through the next like 3 levels. There really isn't sufficient time to explain the retraining opportunity before then.
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
I'll use the 4 hours, that's one new spell, 40 gp spent. At this rate, I'll make sure every minute of downtime is used towards copying spells. That's fine, since it works well with Elrembriel's personality and motivation. Just don't expect much of a social life. :smallamused:
Ready to go, with slightly changed spell list. I'll keep the cash for now, angling for another 700 gp to buy something really nice later :smallbiggrin:
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
Go for it, DarkOne - no objections to the eventual retraining from me.
Waylan is good to go with only a few masterwork upgrades (unless someone in Defender's Heart can bestow an Adaptive enchantment on his bow. FarmerBink?). Either way, I don't need additional time OOC, so I'm ready to continue!
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
1) Do what you want re: retraining Filburn.
2) Planning to write out RP with Aravashnial later, but otherwise buying a masterwork katana, fluffed through the IC RP thread. Gonna have to take a closer look at some low-level magic items to figure out if there's anything useful that's inside the budget.
3) Speaking of budget- has anybody done the math on the group's overall wealth, i.e. individual shares? I expect that Morevek's "fair share" of the currency is probably bigger than most of the rest of the party, due to their having found usable equipment, but I'm not sure how to handle that.
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You should have 1000gp from rich dude and 1434.1 gp from loot selloff. I'm not sure what we are going to do about loot balancing.
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I personally don't care about it at all. If you guys are upset, I can be arbiter for the dispute, but I'd rather you guys work that out without me.
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
Sorry I forgot to address Aurora's detect evil. I'm not 100% sure she's close enough, but the ability doesn't reveal anything.
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
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Originally Posted by
JWallyR
3) Speaking of budget- has anybody done the math on the group's overall wealth, i.e. individual shares? I expect that Morevek's "fair share" of the currency is probably bigger than most of the rest of the party, due to their having found usable equipment, but I'm not sure how to handle that.
This is the table with completed item value:
Item |
Quantity |
Value(unit) |
Proceeds |
Identified? |
Found |
Owner |
Defending Warhammer +1 |
1 |
8312 |
4156 |
y |
Blackwing |
sell |
Pearl of Power level 1 |
1 |
1000 |
0 |
y |
Blackwing |
Waylan |
Pearl of Power level 1 |
1 |
1000 |
0 |
y |
Blackwing |
Elrembriel |
Spellbook (alarm, alter self, cat's grace, dismissal, dispel magic, magic circle against chaos, resist energy, spider climb, versatile weapon) |
1 |
|
0 |
y |
Blackwing |
Elrembriel |
Scroll of Dimensional Lock |
1 |
3000 |
0 |
n |
Blackwing |
Elrembriel |
Scroll of Invisibility |
1 |
150 |
0 |
y |
Blackwing |
Elrembriel |
Potions - Cure Moderate Wounds |
2 |
150 |
0 |
y |
Blackwing |
Elrembriel |
Composite Longbow +1 (+1 Str) |
1 |
2500 |
0 |
y |
Blackwing |
Waylan |
Banded mail |
1 |
250 |
125 |
y |
Blackwing |
sell |
Falcata +1 |
1 |
2318 |
0 |
y |
Blackwing |
Filburn |
Light steel shield +1 |
1 |
1159 |
0 |
y |
Blackwing |
Aurora |
Alchemist's fire |
1 |
20 |
0 |
y |
Cultists |
Elrembriel |
Alchemist's fire |
2 |
20 |
0 |
y |
Cultists |
Waylan |
Alchemist's fire |
3 |
20 |
30 |
y |
Cultists |
sell |
Cold iron dagger |
1 |
4 |
0 |
y |
Cultists |
Elrembriel |
Cold iron dagger |
5 |
4 |
0 |
y |
Cultists |
? |
Breastplate |
5 |
200 |
500 |
y |
Cultists |
sell |
Longsword |
5 |
15 |
37.5 |
y |
Cultists |
sell |
Heavy crossbow, 20 bolts |
6 |
102 |
306 |
y |
Cultists |
sell |
Masterwork breastplate |
1 |
350 |
175 |
y |
Cultists |
sell |
Masterwork longsword |
1 |
315 |
157.5 |
y |
Cultists |
sell |
Potion of Cure Moderate Wounds |
1 |
300 |
0 |
y |
Cultists |
Morevek |
Wand of Magic Missile - 7 ch |
1 |
105 |
0 |
y |
Anevia's and Irabeth's |
Elrembriel |
Potion of Invisibility |
1 |
300 |
0 |
y |
Anevia's and Irabeth's |
Elrembriel |
Ranseur of the Gargoyle (IC post #675) |
1 |
2310 |
1155 |
y |
Anevia's and Irabeth's |
sell |
Half-orc's brass ring (strong magic faded) |
1 |
|
0 |
y |
Anevia's and Irabeth's |
Elrembriel |
Scroll of Death Knell |
1 |
150 |
75 |
y |
Hosilla |
sell |
Oil of Magic Weapon |
2 |
50 |
0 |
y |
Hosilla |
Morevek |
Potion of Invisibility |
1 |
300 |
150 |
y |
Hosilla |
sell |
Potion of Cure Moderate Wounds |
1 |
300 |
0 |
y |
Hosilla |
Morevek |
Wand of Spiritual Weapon - 7 ch |
1 |
105 |
0 |
y |
Hosilla |
Waylan |
Alchemist's fire |
2 |
20 |
20 |
y |
Hosilla |
sell |
Antitoxin |
1 |
50 |
25 |
y |
Hosilla |
sell |
Masterwork dagger |
1 |
302 |
151 |
y |
Renegade mongrelmen |
sell |
Masterwork longbow |
1 |
400 |
0 |
y |
Renegade mongrelmen |
Aurora |
Masterwork chain shirt |
1 |
250 |
0 |
y |
Renegade mongrelmen |
Waylan |
Potion of Cure Light Wounds |
2 |
25 |
0 |
y |
Renegade mongrelmen |
Morevek |
Wand of Longstrider - 10 ch |
1 |
150 |
0 |
y |
Renegade mongrelmen |
Elrembriel |
Potion of Cure Light Wounds |
2 |
50 |
0 |
y |
False crusaders |
Elrembriel |
Scroll of Cause Fear |
1 |
25 |
0 |
y |
False crusaders |
Elrembriel |
Gold |
129 |
1 |
129 |
y |
False crusaders |
cash |
Spellbook (Detect Secret Doors, Fog Cloud, Grease, Invisibility, Resist Energy, Shocking Grasp, Silent Image) |
1 |
|
0 |
y |
Millorn |
Elrembriel |
Marble statuette |
1 |
75 |
37.5 |
y |
Millorn |
sell |
Scroll of Resist Energy |
1 |
150 |
0 |
y |
Millorn |
Waylan |
Masterwork dagger |
1 |
302 |
151 |
y |
Millorn |
sell |
Cloak of resistance +1 |
1 |
1000 |
0 |
y |
Millorn |
Morevek |
Platinum |
8 |
10 |
80 |
y |
Millorn |
cash |
Gold |
7 |
1 |
7 |
y |
Millorn |
cash |
(Yes I'm counting the spellbooks for zero. That because we can sell them, provided we find buyers.)
According to this table the valuables distributed are as follows (cash and sales of valuables not counted):
- Elrembriel 4954
- Waylan 4205
- Filburn 2418
- Morevek 1675
- Aurora 1559
If you want to apply equality in the value of loot shares, it's possible; then Elrembriel would owe the most (2048 gp), while Aurora would be owed the most (1347 gp). Do you guys wish to do this?
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
I am not real worried about loot equity. I just plan on managing our gear to cover our needs. Right now I am beginning to feel stressed (though the magic sword helps a great deal). Defenses are beginning to concern me, especially as combats get more deadly. I plan to buy a Cloak of Resistances ASAP, followed by some armor-buffing jewelry.
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
As an aside, you've not factored radiance into the above table.
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Re: Bink's Wrath of the Righteous OOC
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Farmerbink
As an aside, you've not factored radiance into the above table.
Right. And we have no idea how much its value is - I suspect, about as much as the rest of the loot combined.
Similarly, note that among the riches gathered by Elrembriel, 3000gp is accounted for a single item, a scroll that is unlikely to serve anytime soon. So, I think the raw monetary accounting isn't the right way to balance things, at least not in this game.
I'd rather suggest that Morevek raise a hand if he feels he's being left behind. I'll be happy to chip in something to help (you need to have an idea about what to buy, first).